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		<title>By: Laura Linger</title>
		<link>http://mamapundit.com/2009/06/dont-make-me-go-all-gosselin-on-you/#comment-863</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Linger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s an awful human being who has made her fortune off of the backs of her eight innocent children, so I wasn&#039;t surprised when I learned that she is physically abusive, too.  &quot;They&quot; say that a photo is worth a thousand words.  Wanna see the REAL Kate Gosselin? Look at that cover.  Hitting her kids, outraged and defiant, and having to defend herself to a cop.  Yep, those kids have a great life ahead of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s an awful human being who has made her fortune off of the backs of her eight innocent children, so I wasn&#8217;t surprised when I learned that she is physically abusive, too.  &#8220;They&#8221; say that a photo is worth a thousand words.  Wanna see the REAL Kate Gosselin? Look at that cover.  Hitting her kids, outraged and defiant, and having to defend herself to a cop.  Yep, those kids have a great life ahead of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnster</title>
		<link>http://mamapundit.com/2009/06/dont-make-me-go-all-gosselin-on-you/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynnster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was only spanked once as a very young child, and I was being particularly awful at the time and deserved it (I rarely ever misbehaved), but it really didn&#039;t do any good and my parents never bothered with spanking again.

What always DID work on me was my mother&#039;s habit (one we share, when angry) of icing up, clamming up, freezing the object of our anger out - the silent treatment. I would have frankly rather been spanked a thousand times than have my mother p.o.&#039;d at me and giving me the silent treatment.  Shudder.

Matter of fact, at 43 years old, it STILL works on me.  Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was only spanked once as a very young child, and I was being particularly awful at the time and deserved it (I rarely ever misbehaved), but it really didn&#8217;t do any good and my parents never bothered with spanking again.</p>
<p>What always DID work on me was my mother&#8217;s habit (one we share, when angry) of icing up, clamming up, freezing the object of our anger out &#8211; the silent treatment. I would have frankly rather been spanked a thousand times than have my mother p.o.&#8217;d at me and giving me the silent treatment.  Shudder.</p>
<p>Matter of fact, at 43 years old, it STILL works on me.  Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://mamapundit.com/2009/06/dont-make-me-go-all-gosselin-on-you/#comment-806</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: MeghatronsMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>MeghatronsMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think that if you spank, how can you teach your child not to hit?  Children learn to hit mostly on their own.  How can I say &quot;hands are not for hitting&quot; and then turn around and spank the child?  Spanking is a quick fix &amp; only makes you, the parent, feel better fast.  I don&#039;t hit &amp; never will- even if my child didn&#039;t have ASD.  It just isn&#039;t a tool I use.  Thanks for the post, KT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think that if you spank, how can you teach your child not to hit?  Children learn to hit mostly on their own.  How can I say &#8220;hands are not for hitting&#8221; and then turn around and spank the child?  Spanking is a quick fix &amp; only makes you, the parent, feel better fast.  I don&#8217;t hit &amp; never will- even if my child didn&#8217;t have ASD.  It just isn&#8217;t a tool I use.  Thanks for the post, KT</p>
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		<title>By: LouAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>LouAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents spanked for &#039;clear spanking offenses&#039; as in &#039;you do that one more time, and I&#039;m going to spank you.&#039; It was rare, it was humiliating more than causing physical pain (one stinging swat on the bottom with a bare hand) and it was followed by a hug and a discussion on &#039;why Mommy had to spank you.&#039; It was never administered as a way for Mom or Dad to let off steam because they lost their temper with you. Not what I would choose to do, but not what I would consider abuse.

In this case, the absence of the hug and talk it over afterwards is what makes it really humiliating. And the fact that Mommy can just &#039;lose it&#039; and hit me when she feels out of control must be very frightening. No one should have to live with that. We felt shamed when our parents spanked us, but not afraid of them. They did other things that felt more shameful to me, like the &#039;I&#039;m disappointed in you&#039; talk.

I don&#039;t have kids. I spanked one child as a babysitter once and I did it because I was angry and lost my temper. I have babysit other kids whom I had to go over and physically remove from doing something I had told them repeatedly not to do, or have grabbed them, sometimes less than gently because they were in harms&#039; way, but I never spanked again. Same with dogs. I hit my dog once because I was frustrated, not because it was a way to teach her how to behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents spanked for &#8216;clear spanking offenses&#8217; as in &#8216;you do that one more time, and I&#8217;m going to spank you.&#8217; It was rare, it was humiliating more than causing physical pain (one stinging swat on the bottom with a bare hand) and it was followed by a hug and a discussion on &#8216;why Mommy had to spank you.&#8217; It was never administered as a way for Mom or Dad to let off steam because they lost their temper with you. Not what I would choose to do, but not what I would consider abuse.</p>
<p>In this case, the absence of the hug and talk it over afterwards is what makes it really humiliating. And the fact that Mommy can just &#8216;lose it&#8217; and hit me when she feels out of control must be very frightening. No one should have to live with that. We felt shamed when our parents spanked us, but not afraid of them. They did other things that felt more shameful to me, like the &#8216;I&#8217;m disappointed in you&#8217; talk.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have kids. I spanked one child as a babysitter once and I did it because I was angry and lost my temper. I have babysit other kids whom I had to go over and physically remove from doing something I had told them repeatedly not to do, or have grabbed them, sometimes less than gently because they were in harms&#8217; way, but I never spanked again. Same with dogs. I hit my dog once because I was frustrated, not because it was a way to teach her how to behave.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think putting these photos on the front page of nationally distributed magazine is in many ways worse than the purported spanking that was captured by photographs. Thanks to the Internet, these images will haunt this little girl for the rest of her life. It is a regrettable invasion of her privacy. 

Was this a spanking? I can&#039;t tell from these shots, they&#039;re too small. I do think spanking should be avoided, especially the premeditated, &quot;You need a whooping&quot; type. Ocassionally losing it happens, at folks have noted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think putting these photos on the front page of nationally distributed magazine is in many ways worse than the purported spanking that was captured by photographs. Thanks to the Internet, these images will haunt this little girl for the rest of her life. It is a regrettable invasion of her privacy. </p>
<p>Was this a spanking? I can&#8217;t tell from these shots, they&#8217;re too small. I do think spanking should be avoided, especially the premeditated, &#8220;You need a whooping&#8221; type. Ocassionally losing it happens, at folks have noted.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://mamapundit.com/2009/06/dont-make-me-go-all-gosselin-on-you/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mamatried: I think that this particular series of photos is pretty clear (although I agree that sometimes pix can be UNclear), but in any case, Kate Gosselin has confirmed that she was indeed wacking her child: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31410810/ns/entertainment-gossip/

-kag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mamatried: I think that this particular series of photos is pretty clear (although I agree that sometimes pix can be UNclear), but in any case, Kate Gosselin has confirmed that she was indeed wacking her child: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31410810/ns/entertainment-gossip/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31410810/ns/entertainment-gossip/</a></p>
<p>-kag</p>
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		<title>By: mamatried</title>
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		<dc:creator>mamatried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so with you on this.  I can&#039;t believe we are having this debate in 2010.  I, too, can totally, totally understand how a parent could lose it but they should feel terrible and try very, very hard to never do it again and if it becomes a constant form of &#039;discipline&#039; then I think they should seek counseling.  I love the analogy of hitting dogs that you bring up.  A young mom in my mommy group hits and yells (I&#039;ve only seen her spank once but I think it is because she knows I am very anti-spanking).   I find it very stressful to be around her these days and it is ineffective in changing her daughter&#039;s behavior.   My friend Laura says the best thing about never hitting your child is that when they hit you (or a sibling or a playmate) you can say &quot;I know you are angry but we do not hit.&quot; 

Is Kate actual spanking the child in the photo?  It is hard to tell.  I sure hope not.  Sometimes pictures can be deceiving.  Today at the library my 2 year old sprinted off in a parking lot that was very busy with moving cars and I had the baby in my other arm and all I could reach was her hair.  I didn&#039;t pull it but I did grab it and she stopped.  If she didn&#039;t stop it may have gotten a big yank though and I&#039;m sure that picture would look horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so with you on this.  I can&#8217;t believe we are having this debate in 2010.  I, too, can totally, totally understand how a parent could lose it but they should feel terrible and try very, very hard to never do it again and if it becomes a constant form of &#8216;discipline&#8217; then I think they should seek counseling.  I love the analogy of hitting dogs that you bring up.  A young mom in my mommy group hits and yells (I&#8217;ve only seen her spank once but I think it is because she knows I am very anti-spanking).   I find it very stressful to be around her these days and it is ineffective in changing her daughter&#8217;s behavior.   My friend Laura says the best thing about never hitting your child is that when they hit you (or a sibling or a playmate) you can say &#8220;I know you are angry but we do not hit.&#8221; </p>
<p>Is Kate actual spanking the child in the photo?  It is hard to tell.  I sure hope not.  Sometimes pictures can be deceiving.  Today at the library my 2 year old sprinted off in a parking lot that was very busy with moving cars and I had the baby in my other arm and all I could reach was her hair.  I didn&#8217;t pull it but I did grab it and she stopped.  If she didn&#8217;t stop it may have gotten a big yank though and I&#8217;m sure that picture would look horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, I find this incredibly unsurprising.  I don&#039;t regularly watch their show, but if I&#039;m flipping past, I used to watch for a little bit.  And then I realized that most of the time, I was seeing her hit her husband.

Now, obviously, she&#039;s not big or strong enough to actually hurt him.  But in a way, that makes it worse.  She could hit him and know he wouldn&#039;t defend himself or he&#039;d look like the bad guy.

But dang.  You don&#039;t regularly hit your spouse when you&#039;re annoyed with them, even if it doesn&#039;t physically hurt them.  It&#039;s really gross.

And I can&#039;t believe that how many people talk about what a crappy husband he is (and yeah, he doesn&#039;t seem like a charmer), but neglect to mention that she hits him.

So, yeah, it doesn&#039;t surprise me at all that she hits her kids.  That seems to be established already as her way of dealing with things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I find this incredibly unsurprising.  I don&#8217;t regularly watch their show, but if I&#8217;m flipping past, I used to watch for a little bit.  And then I realized that most of the time, I was seeing her hit her husband.</p>
<p>Now, obviously, she&#8217;s not big or strong enough to actually hurt him.  But in a way, that makes it worse.  She could hit him and know he wouldn&#8217;t defend himself or he&#8217;d look like the bad guy.</p>
<p>But dang.  You don&#8217;t regularly hit your spouse when you&#8217;re annoyed with them, even if it doesn&#8217;t physically hurt them.  It&#8217;s really gross.</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t believe that how many people talk about what a crappy husband he is (and yeah, he doesn&#8217;t seem like a charmer), but neglect to mention that she hits him.</p>
<p>So, yeah, it doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all that she hits her kids.  That seems to be established already as her way of dealing with things.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Katie.  I don&#039;t have kids, as you know, but I&#039;m very interested in these issues.  It really makes you think when you replace the child with another dependent family member.  Like you said, I do hope that we can open up the discussion in a different way.  My best friend worked in behavior modification with preschoolers and their families.  One of the more infamous quotes she got from one of her parents was, &quot;I whup her and whup her and nothing works.&quot;  Betsy just said &quot;Well, for one, maybe &#039;whupping her&#039; isn&#039;t the answer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Katie.  I don&#8217;t have kids, as you know, but I&#8217;m very interested in these issues.  It really makes you think when you replace the child with another dependent family member.  Like you said, I do hope that we can open up the discussion in a different way.  My best friend worked in behavior modification with preschoolers and their families.  One of the more infamous quotes she got from one of her parents was, &#8220;I whup her and whup her and nothing works.&#8221;  Betsy just said &#8220;Well, for one, maybe &#8216;whupping her&#8217; isn&#8217;t the answer.&#8221;</p>
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